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Apr 5, 2021 7:10 PM
#1
Im talking about battle shonens in the same vein as Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Yuyu Hakusho, MHA and the likes, but with an actual female MC. A female main character with an epic journey that can throw hands and beat powerful villains along the way like in these series previously mentioned. The closest thing is Jojo part 6 and Soul Eater imo, but do you think the industry should try it more? and how would you feel about it? |
TheBlackPlagueApr 5, 2021 7:25 PM
Apr 5, 2021 7:18 PM
#2
I don't know. I'm okay with it I guess? I didn't watch many female MC anime But when I played Nier I enjoyed using 2B as MC. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:20 PM
#3
I think Kill la Kill is closer to a battle shonen than a magical girl show. That series was fairly well received. Though the run time was far shorter than other battle shonen series. I haven't read it, but I'm hoping that Stone Ocean is similarly entertaining to the other JoJo entries. How many cours will that one go for? I think Korra also fits this category. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:20 PM
#4
Apr 5, 2021 7:21 PM
#5
Now that Jojo Stone Ocean is getting an anime adaptation, maybe things like that will pop up more? Probably not, but it'd be cool if anime like that got more popular. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:22 PM
#6
Apr 5, 2021 7:22 PM
#7
Graumann said: I haven't read it, but I'm hoping that Stone Ocean is similarly entertaining to the other JoJo entries. How many cours will that one go for? I think Korra also fits this category. It's going to be about the aame length as parts 4 and 5. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:23 PM
#8
Apr 5, 2021 7:23 PM
#9
Shounen means "for young boys", I'm not too sure if young boys are into having a female protagonist |
Apr 5, 2021 7:24 PM
#10
GreatAide said: are there seriously no other examples of this being the case Similar to the series i previously mentioned? i dont think so |
Apr 5, 2021 7:26 PM
#11
I mean, sure, why not. Also, Medaka box is literally a battle shonen with a female lead. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:31 PM
#12
LeEggBread said: Shounen means "for young boys", I'm not too sure if young boys are into having a female protagonist How about a shounen version of Magical Girl Ore but it's a crossdresser who's also a thug? and there's a lot of yankee and yakuza involved lmao. That sounds like something I'd watch |
Apr 5, 2021 7:31 PM
#13
I don't care who the MC is I just want an enjoyable watch. The two that came to mind for me right away were Kill la Kill and Claymore. Also shounen tags happen mostly because of where the source is printed such as shounen labeled magazines so many anime with female leads would likely be "shounen" but just arent because of that. young boys probably want a strong male character to live vicariously through. I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about what a woman should be muddying the water. Often women play sort of a sidekick MC more than the headline MC. Shows like Akame ga Kill sorta like that. Where it is more a main male and main female character both on the front lines. The other shows with female MC are generally not battle shounen and are sorta like them. Think Strike Witches, Youjo Senki, and Fate/Zero. Its pretty much often set up where there is a strong female but she is written in a way where she depends on a strong male much of the time because women are suppose to be soft and not in danger I guess. So women are strong but only until they once again need to rely on some dude to save them. I blame Disney. |
-Ecliptix-Apr 5, 2021 7:35 PM
Apr 5, 2021 7:32 PM
#14
3miL said: LeEggBread said: Shounen means "for young boys", I'm not too sure if young boys are into having a female protagonist How about a shounen version of Magical Girl Ore but it's a crossdresser who's also a thug? and there's a lot of yankee and yakuza involved lmao. That sounds like something I'd watch Yikes, I'd definitely run away lmfao |
Apr 5, 2021 7:32 PM
#15
LeEggBread said: Shounen means "for young boys", I'm not too sure if young boys are into having a female protagonist I mean, they can atleast try i guess? |
Apr 5, 2021 7:39 PM
#16
-Ecliptix- said: I don't care who the MC is I just want an enjoyable watch. The two that came to mind for me right away were Kill la Kill and Claymore. Also shounen tags happen mostly because of where the source is printed such as shounen labeled magazines so many anime with female leads would likely be "shounen" but just arent because of that. young boys probably want a strong male character to live vicariously through. I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about what a woman should be muddying the water. Often women play sort of a sidekick MC more than the headline MC. Shows like Akame ga Kill sorta like that. Where it is more a main male and main female character both on the front lines. The other shows with female MC are generally not battle shounen and are sorta like them. Think Strike Witches, Youjo Senki, and Fate/Zero. Its pretty much often set up where there is a strong female but she is written in a way where she depends on a strong male much of the time because women are suppose to be soft and not in danger I guess. So women are strong but only until they once again need to rely on some dude to save them. I blame Disney. I mean, is 2021 rn, there are some old mindsets that needs to die already. |
Apr 5, 2021 7:42 PM
#17
DeepRiver said: -Ecliptix- said: I don't care who the MC is I just want an enjoyable watch. The two that came to mind for me right away were Kill la Kill and Claymore. Also shounen tags happen mostly because of where the source is printed such as shounen labeled magazines so many anime with female leads would likely be "shounen" but just arent because of that. young boys probably want a strong male character to live vicariously through. I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about what a woman should be muddying the water. Often women play sort of a sidekick MC more than the headline MC. Shows like Akame ga Kill sorta like that. Where it is more a main male and main female character both on the front lines. The other shows with female MC are generally not battle shounen and are sorta like them. Think Strike Witches, Youjo Senki, and Fate/Zero. Its pretty much often set up where there is a strong female but she is written in a way where she depends on a strong male much of the time because women are suppose to be soft and not in danger I guess. So women are strong but only until they once again need to rely on some dude to save them. I blame Disney. I mean, is 2021 rn, there are some old mindsets that needs to die already. Id love some more female mains, I liked Kill la Kill a lot, Claymore is something I would love to see a remake of. I dunno why it happens. AoT annoyed me because Mikasa is so strong but Eren is pretty much always center stage and she is all about him. Found it really lame. I get the story but it is plot device to make Eren look good in my eyes. |
Apr 5, 2021 8:01 PM
#18
-Ecliptix- said: DeepRiver said: -Ecliptix- said: I don't care who the MC is I just want an enjoyable watch. The two that came to mind for me right away were Kill la Kill and Claymore. Also shounen tags happen mostly because of where the source is printed such as shounen labeled magazines so many anime with female leads would likely be "shounen" but just arent because of that. young boys probably want a strong male character to live vicariously through. I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about what a woman should be muddying the water. Often women play sort of a sidekick MC more than the headline MC. Shows like Akame ga Kill sorta like that. Where it is more a main male and main female character both on the front lines. The other shows with female MC are generally not battle shounen and are sorta like them. Think Strike Witches, Youjo Senki, and Fate/Zero. Its pretty much often set up where there is a strong female but she is written in a way where she depends on a strong male much of the time because women are suppose to be soft and not in danger I guess. So women are strong but only until they once again need to rely on some dude to save them. I blame Disney. I mean, is 2021 rn, there are some old mindsets that needs to die already. Id love some more female mains, I liked Kill la Kill a lot, Claymore is something I would love to see a remake of. I dunno why it happens. AoT annoyed me because Mikasa is so strong but Eren is pretty much always center stage and she is all about him. Found it really lame. I get the story but it is plot device to make Eren look good in my eyes. I agree, Mikasa is such an embarassment, also there are other cases like with Nezuko in Demon Slayer, is basically the female lead but yet is reduced to just a cute pet and plot device with barely any character whatsoever, and it makes me cringe so fucking hard. I also liked Kill La Kill, but the amount of fanservice kind of turned me off and made me hard to take the characters seriously imo. I havent seen Claymore yet but i plan to. What id love is a proper independient female main character in a shonen action story that dont neccesarily panders to otakus or gets sexualized indiscriminately and kick a good amount of ass. Thats why i mentioned Jojo part 6 and Soul Eater, we need more of that imo. |
Apr 5, 2021 8:04 PM
#19
Ghost in the Shell is a female lead and I loved them way back haven't watched them in a while. Not perfect but given how old it is good for its time still holds fairly true now really. |
Apr 5, 2021 8:08 PM
#20
Apr 5, 2021 8:11 PM
#21
snowykevin said: try other genres, plenty of amazing female leads in other anime series but you won’t find them in battle shounen But thats not the point of this thread tho |
Apr 5, 2021 8:28 PM
#22
I don't think it matter whether the MC is a male or female as long as the character is well written. |
Apr 5, 2021 8:36 PM
#23
definitely. having nearly every shonen protagonist be the same spiky-haired 14-year old with a dead/absent father, mysterious power that makes them the "chosen one," and an ABSOLUTELY UNBREAKABLE drive to be the best at *insert high position in fictional society* has made the genre feel pretty fucking stale over the last 30 years. injecting some much-needed diversity into the genre would do wonders to eliminate this current state of genericism within the shonen genre. additionally, it's always nice to see increased representation in art! |
literal commie |
Apr 5, 2021 8:45 PM
#24
Ezmel said: I don't think it matter whether the MC is a male or female as long as the character is well written. I agree, but again, thats not the point of this thread. |
Apr 5, 2021 8:53 PM
#25
Sure, why not! If shoujo anime like Banana Fish (yes, that's a shoujo) can have male MCs, why can't shounen anime have female MCs? |
Apr 5, 2021 9:41 PM
#26
DeepRiver said: Ezmel said: I don't think it matter whether the MC is a male or female as long as the character is well written. I agree, but again, thats not the point of this thread. Oh sorry, it would seem that I have misread the thread, but onto the topic all of the shoes you listed all have female characters who can catch hands difference is that they are not the main characters, and even so we do have other action series that other people have listed with a female protagonist who can catch hands such as Kill la Kill, and Ghost in the Shell which are not classified as Shounen since Shounen is not a genre but a demographic that many different just from action, psychological, to romance heck its hard to find a Shoujo a male lead because that is not the demographic it is appealing to, but I do think it is good for the industry to try to switch things up once in a while, I just don't think the main draw to a series should solely be the main characters gender. |
Apr 5, 2021 10:00 PM
#27
LOL how many anime have you really seen? because theres alot of them out there. |
Apr 5, 2021 10:01 PM
#28
Sure, why not? If the story is good then I don't care |
Apr 5, 2021 10:10 PM
#29
DeepRiver said: Im talking about battle shonens in the same vein as Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Yuyu Hakusho, MHA and the likes, but with an actual female MC. A female main character with an epic journey that can throw hands and beat powerful villains along the way like in these series previously mentioned. The closest thing is Jojo part 6 and Soul Eater imo, but do you think the industry should try it more? and how would you feel about it? Let me introduce you to SHY. And to answer your question, yes I think there should be more battle shounens with female MCs. |
Apr 5, 2021 10:15 PM
#30
Dark Magical Girl genre already exists so I don't see the point. |
Apr 6, 2021 12:29 PM
#31
DeepRiver said: Maybe the industry should try that more, but I dunno, I don't really read/watch battle shounen to begin with.Im talking about battle shonens in the same vein as Dragon Ball, Naruto, Bleach, One Piece, Yuyu Hakusho, MHA and the likes, but with an actual female MC. A female main character with an epic journey that can throw hands and beat powerful villains along the way like in these series previously mentioned. The closest thing is Jojo part 6 and Soul Eater imo, but do you think the industry should try it more? and how would you feel about it? Sure, I read like 10 volumes of Bleach in high school, read like 2 volumes of Soul Eater before quitting due to cringy fanservice (I unknowingly read this in public too, so I cringed even harder than usual... I'm surprised that no one gave me funny looks for what I was reading, but thank god that didn't happen), and I dunno if people count Tsubasa Reservoir Chronicle as a battle shounen but yeah I read all of that, but... I dunno. Demographic tags or what the gender of the main character never really mattered to me. I agree with the users who said that all that matters is that the MC is a good character regardless what gender they are. Also... A female main character with an epic journey that can throw hands and beat powerful villains along the way ...you just described Magic Knight Rayearth, which is not even shounen.It's a shoujo isekai that came out before isekai started plaguing the current state of anime in the mid to late 2010s. Sounds like you need to start reading/watching stuff outside of shounen, because there's a lot more anime/manga with a female MC like your criteria out there than you might think. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ 3miL said: ...I think you just described Is This a Zombie lol...LeEggBread said: Shounen means "for young boys", I'm not too sure if young boys are into having a female protagonist How about a shounen version of Magical Girl Ore but it's a crossdresser who's also a thug? and there's a lot of yankee and yakuza involved lmao. That sounds like something I'd watch |
Apr 6, 2021 12:34 PM
#32
claymore is all i need in my life to satisfy all epic female characters needs |
Apr 6, 2021 12:45 PM
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Apr 6, 2021 12:47 PM
#35
I don't care who the MC is I just want an enjoyable watch. The two that came to mind for me right away were Kill la Kill and Claymore. Also shounen tags happen mostly because of where the source is printed such as shounen labeled magazines so many anime with female leads would likely be "shounen" but just arent because of that. young boys probably want a strong male character to live vicariously through. I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about what a woman should be muddying the water. Often women play sort of a sidekick MC more than the headline MC. Shows like Akame ga Kill sorta like that. Where it is more a main male and main female character both on the front lines. The other shows with female MC are generally not battle shounen and are sorta like them. Think Strike Witches, Youjo Senki, and Fate/Zero. Its pretty much often set up where there is a strong female but she is written in a way where she depends on a strong male much of the time because women are suppose to be soft and not in danger I guess. So women are strong but only until they once again need to rely on some dude to save them. I blame Disney. Fate/Zero is Seinen... Kill la Kill it is an original production that does not respond to a demographic, however its adaptation to manga does and it is also Seinen. if we are to the case, Zero Two itself is a idealization that responds to the self-insertion of young boys in the character of Hiro. Just looking at the design you realize that she is made only to sell. The only thing that Akame has as a protagonist is the name of the manga and the magazine where it was published was hybrid (Shonen / Seinen). In the same way you are right in "I think it is harder to write a female protag because of the preconceptions men have about..." |
Apr 6, 2021 12:47 PM
#36
Yeah, I think there should be more battle shonen with a female protagonist. It would offer a different dynamic. |
I like dub more than sub because I am not a weeb. |
Apr 6, 2021 12:49 PM
#37
If they write her exactly like a male lead but with boobs also apply all those same tired battle shounen tropes in the same way count me out. |
Apr 6, 2021 12:53 PM
#38
I'm just starting to enjoy the trend of well-written female characters in battle Shonen that Jujutsu Kaisen brings with their own personality and not a pre-existing anime trope personality |
Apr 6, 2021 12:54 PM
#39
I couldn't care less about MC's gender, just give me a good character. |
Apr 6, 2021 12:55 PM
#40
Apr 6, 2021 1:02 PM
#41
I don't really care what gender the protagonist is (tho I prefer boys, because they usually come out as stronger in hand-to-hand combats - if the series doesn't have any realistic fights, tho, then it doesn't matter at all), but I hate how many shounen series completely neglect female characters in general. I mean, Sakura from Naruto, Uraraka in Bnha etc. - like, authors put them just to serve as support for male characters, it's annoying how so many shounen creators can't write a good female character at all, even if she isn't the MC |
Apr 6, 2021 1:02 PM
#42
Just watch the first two movies of the Nanoha remake (Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha: The Movie 1st). Of all "ass-kicking magical girl" shows I've watched this is closest to shounen, featuring all key elements + yuri baiting: typical hero's journey plot + ganbatte power ups + spectacular fights. In my view, it's 100% designed for shounen/seinen audiences, not females. |
Apr 6, 2021 1:05 PM
#43
Apr 6, 2021 1:11 PM
#44
having female MC would be interesting to watch there are few female lead mc shonen already like fairy tail or Inuyasha ( kind off , female point of view), Claymore, tokyo esp, Good Luck Girl!, medoka box |
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Apr 6, 2021 1:12 PM
#45
It's a great approach, but pulling it off convincingly requires insight and effort, like how to challenge gender inequality in the genre. |
Apr 6, 2021 1:18 PM
#46
I like it how it is. Cast choice look nore suitable the way theu are now. Guts and Light Yagami obviously seem much better male than female to me atleast. Really don't care if someone identifies with a certain biological or social label and wants that group to be represented whether i belong to that group or not. |
Apr 6, 2021 1:19 PM
#47
I don't think gender matters in this . I love jojo6 and Maka but i don't think they are better mcs then most battle shonen because they are girls but because they are better characters I could imagine that the industry prefers to have boys in the lead role of their anime that Targets boys Makes sense |
Apr 6, 2021 2:21 PM
#48
I think for most people the gender of the character isn't really important - I mean at the end of the day, it's a fictional 2-D construct, so what does it matter what fictional 2-D genitalia they have as long as the character themselves are good? While they may not be MC's or have originated in battle shounen, there are PLENTY of really good female characters out there who don't need to be saved any more or less than their male counterparts do - women who can dish out the hurting just as well as the men can: Akame - Akame Ga Kill Major Kusanagi - Ghost In the Shell Lady Tsunade - Naruto Revy - Black Lagoon Erza Scarlett - Fairy Tale Morgiana - Magi Kagura - Gintama Mira Armstrong - Fullmetal Alchemist Yona - Yona of the Dawn San - Princess Mononoke The most badass characters though, are sometimes the ones who don't feel the NEED to flaunt it. One of the best examples that comes to mind for me is in Soul Eater where they ignore the girl power BS and Maka asks Blackstar to hit her for a mistake she made. He's at least AS strong as she is (if not a little bit moreso), but Maka takes a no-holding-back blow from him and stands right back up. That's the moment where I really came to respect her as a full-blown character instead of the typical tsundere psychopath stereotype. But if you're looking for a female who can dish out the pain in equal measure to being able to take it - Mereoleona Vermillion would be my go-to example. |
Apr 6, 2021 2:23 PM
#49
I would say yes, but only because I prefer female character over male. |
Apr 6, 2021 2:26 PM
#50
My girl Medaka throws hands with God herself |
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